Welcome to Just Between Us, the podcast with all of the answers, some of the time.

A bit of a different thing going on this week.

You've been immature and you've lied.

And now you're trying to turn it on me and manipulate me and gaslight me.

I was trying to manipulate you.

Diana, you would be chucking their clothes out of the window.

I know, I'd be like, are you joking?

I don't know.

I guess you'd have to ask.

Someone that has sex.

Someone that has sex.

And remember, it's just between us.

Welcome to the History Extra podcast.

Fascinating historical conversations from BBC History Magazine and BBC History Revealed.

The Holocaust is an event so vast and terrible. it can often be hard to wrap our heads around.

But Martin Davidson argues in his new book, Mobilising Hate, it's important to try and grapple

with the psychological factors that motivated perpetrators, and to understand the ideological

mindset that they use to justify their

actions. Martin is an author and a former TV producer and commissioner who specialises in history,

and I spoke to him to find out more. Thank you so much for joining me, Martin. Mobilising Hate

is your second book that grapples with

difficult issues of the psychology that underpinned Nazi Germany and motivations behind the

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