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Every year, hundreds of thousands of people from all over the world flock to Las Vegas for the Consumer Electronics Show.

And they spend a week trying to sell each other on the weirdest gadgets you've ever seen in your entire life.

This week on the Vergecast, we're talking all about everything happening at CES, from the TVs to the AI gadgets, to the humanoid robots that everybody is hoping might someday do your laundry and wash your dishes.

All that and much more on the Vergecast wherever you get podcasts.

This is Recode Media with Peter Kafka coming to you from New York City.

I'm going to give you another code media interview from our time in Los Angeles a couple weeks ago.

This one is a little contentious.

It's with Jim Heckman and Ross Levinson, who now runs something called The Maven, which owns Sports Illustrated.

We talked about what they're doing there.

We talked a bit about their past, which we call controversial.

This was a chance for these guys to explain their vision of what they're doing, what they

want to do in publishing.

I think they got that chance.

You can judge for yourself.

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