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American Scandal

The Massacre at My Lai | Interview | Rules of Engagement: How My Lai Changed the US Military | 5

American Scandal

Wondery

True Crime, Exhibit C, Society & Culture, History, Documentary, History Daily, American History Tellers, Lindsay Graham

4.618.7K Ratings

🗓️ 9 September 2025

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

On March 16, 1968, American soldiers carried out what remains one of the most brutal war crimes in U.S. history. Over the course of a single morning, they killed between 300 and 500 Vietnamese civilians. The My Lai Massacre stands as a lasting stain on the U.S. military’s legacy, but one that, according to Fred Borch, has also led to important reforms. Borch is a retired Army lawyer and former regimental historian for the Judge Advocate General Corps. He joins Lindsay to discuss the legacy of My Lai, the failures that made it possible, and what’s changed in the decades since.

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From From Wondery, I'm Lindsay Graham, and this is American Scandal. On March 16, 1968, American soldiers entered the Vietnamese hamlet of Mili. What followed was one of the most horrifying war crimes

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in U.S. history. Hundreds of unarmed civilians, men, women, and children were gunned down in cold

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blood. Some were raped. But instead of confronting this atrocity, military leaders tried to bury

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it, and for more than a year they succeeded. When the truth finally came to light,

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it shocked the world and raised a disturbing question, how could the United States Army allow

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something like this to happen? And yet, despite the fallout, only one man was convicted of a crime

1:22.4

while dozens more went free. My guest today is Fred Bork, a retired army lawyer and regimental historian

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of the Judge Advocate General Corps. He's written extensively about how Mili shaped military justice,

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and today we'll explore how the U.S. military confronted the legacy of this massacre

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and whether the lessons it claimed to learn still hold up more than 50 years later.

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