The “Masculine Mystique” Edition
The Waves: Gender, Relationships, Feminism
Slate Podcasts
4.2 • 903 Ratings
🗓️ 24 January 2019
⏱️ 62 minutes
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Summary
On this week’s episode of The Waves, Hanna, June, and Noreen discuss the new APA guidelines for boys and men—and the crucial distinction that many commentators who disagreed with them missed. Then, a new Gillette ad has gone viral for its invocation of toxic masculinity and #MeToo, provoking strong reactions from feminists and misogynists alike. Should we be wary of “woke” brands, or can marketing campaigns like this one be a sign of genuine progress? Finally, Kirsten Gillibrand and Kamala Harris have officially formed “exploratory committees” for 2020. The hosts debate why both are emphasizing motherhood in their messaging and assess the state of the presidential race as a whole.
In Slate Plus: Is it sexist to consider Mary Oliver a “middlebrow” poet?
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening ad-free on Amazon Music. |
| 0:04.0 | The following podcast contains explicit language. |
| 0:11.8 | Welcome to the waves for Thursday, January 24th, the masculine mystique edition. |
| 0:16.3 | I'm Hannah Rosen, a host of NPR's Invisibilia in the New York studios. |
| 0:54.7 | And I say that as if I'm in a studio. I'm actually in my house with a recording mic in case I sound different guys, just letting you know that. But in the professional New York studios, we have June Thomas, senior managing producer of Slate Podcast Network. Hi, June. Hey, Hannah. And also Noreen Malone of New York Magazine. Hi, Noreen. Hi, I'm feeling very professional with that introduction. Yes, you guys are audio professes. I am just in my pajamas. No, I'm actually dressed, but recording myself because I'm an audio professional of a different kind. Anyway, we only have one announcement today, which is that the Sydney show, The Waves is having a show in Sydney, |
| 1:00.7 | that is Sydney, Australia on March 10th, is looking for a guest. So if any of you have ideas for who our guests should be, so far we've gotten female wiggle as one of the options. |
| 1:05.2 | Send us ideas on Twitter at June Thomas at Noreen Malone or email us at thewavesatslate.com. |
| 1:11.5 | Tell us who you think would be our perfect Sydney guest. |
| 1:14.2 | All right. |
| 1:15.3 | Let's wiggle on in to our topics. |
| 1:18.3 | First, the new APA guidelines, which edge close to defining masculinity is a mental health problem. |
| 1:24.2 | That's only a slight exaggeration. |
| 1:26.0 | Second, the new feminist Gillette ad. Is it a real |
| 1:29.4 | breakthrough or just more woke branding? And finally, Kirsten Gillibrand, Kamala Harris, throw their hats |
| 1:35.4 | into the ring. And we are going to discuss what lines they're taking and how they are |
| 1:40.8 | positioning themselves. And then June, do you want to say what we're discussing in our Slate Plus segment? |
| 1:44.7 | And I'm not saying, I'm not choosing you because you're gay. |
| 1:48.8 | I'm just throwing that to you randomly. |
| 1:52.7 | Roger, noted, noted. |
| 1:54.6 | This weekend, we will be asking if it is sexist that Mary Oliver, who just died last week, if her poetry was always |
| 2:03.4 | treated with something that might be described as disdain by the sort of poetry establishment |
| 2:08.3 | by big poetry. |
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