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Hello and welcome to True Crime Daily's The Sidebar,

taking you inside the courtrooms and trials of high-profile and notorious cases from across the country.

I'm your host, Joshua Ritter, currently a criminal defense lawyer based here in Los Angeles.

Previously, I was prosecutor with the LA District Attorney's Office for close to a decade.

We're recording this on Wednesday, October 22nd, 2021.

Today, we are delighted to be joined by Mark Garagos, renowned trial lawyer,

and reviled scourge of the courtroom or greatest of all time, depending on who you ask.

You may not recognize his name, though many of you do, but you certainly recognize some of his clients,

who include entertainers Michael Jackson and Chris Brown, convicted notorious wife killer Scott Peterson,

and a litany of clients making headlines for decades. But what you may be less aware of is his

other work, say on behalf of heirs of the victims of the Armenian genocide, or his success in

getting a family restitution after their teen daughter died when an insurance company denied her

liver transplant. Mark also hosts the podcast Reasonable Doubt with actor, comedian, podcast host

extraordinaire Adam Karola. Because Mark has such a large, has left such a large imprint on the

legal community, we've asked him to give, come in and give us a retrospective as it were of his

career. So Thou wink welcome Mark. Thank you. I appreciate it. You know, my mother was still alive.

She would have loved to have heard that, then she actually may have believed half of it.

So thank you. Absolutely. You didn't mention the firmware with your with one of my buddies. Oh,

yeah. Mark worksman Jackson and Quinn here in Los Angeles. Yeah. So Mark worksman, who is your

fearless leader. And I tried not once, but twice in federal court back in the 90s, the original

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