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Political Thinking with Nick Robinson

The Mariana Mazzucato One

Political Thinking with Nick Robinson

BBC

News, Politics

4.62.4K Ratings

🗓️ 21 February 2024

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

One of the world's most influencial progressive economists outlines her pitch to leaders across the world - and Starmer's Labour Party - to focus on ambitious 'missions' that can transform society for the better.

Transcript

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Do you wish politician set out long-term missions, rather than short-term headline-grabbing pledges?

0:12.0

Well, if so, you agree with my guest on political thinking this week,

0:16.0

or the world's most influential economists, Mariana Mazzakartu,

0:20.0

who's been deployed by this Conservative government, the Scottish government, by South Africa, Brazil,

0:25.5

the EU and many others besides as she tries to influence the way politicians think about what

0:32.4

they promised.

0:33.2

She's someone who's advised labour at the highest level.

0:36.8

Indeed, her thinking, her writing, about the need for government to set bold and ambitious missions underlies much of what the

0:47.4

Labour leader says.

0:49.2

I spoke to before Kiastama abandoned that headline pledge to invest 28 billion pounds on his green prosperity plan.

1:00.0

What she had to say though remains as relevant now as it did then?

1:05.0

Mariana Mazzakato, welcome to political thinking.

1:09.0

I guess this week, like every other week is pretty busy, what's on the agenda this week?

1:14.0

So besides running my 60 person Institute at University College London on Wednesday I'm

1:19.6

off to Davos for two days on the back of that I'm meeting with the Global Commission on

1:24.4

the Economics of Water, which I co-chair. And the next week I'm going to Columbia,

1:28.9

the country, not the university, to work with the President Petro's team around really rethinking government in order to put

1:36.0

climate at the center of a green economic transition.

1:39.2

So it's another incredibly hectic week.

1:43.0

Why do you think you've got the influence you've got?

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It's a good question actually.

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