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The Daily

The Man Who Wrote Mueller’s Rules

The Daily

The New York Times

Daily News, News

4.4102.8K Ratings

🗓️ 23 August 2018

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

The special counsel, Robert Mueller, has followed a set of rules devised to allow for the investigation of a sitting president. Those rules will now be tested. Guests: Neal Katyal, who drafted the regulations that govern Mr. Mueller’s investigation, and Michael S. Schmidt, who has been covering the special counsel investigation for The New York Times. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily.

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0:00.0

From The New York Times, I'm Michael Barbarale. This is The Daily.

0:10.2

Today, the investigation that Robert Mueller has conducted as special counsel is based on a set of

0:17.8

rules designed to allow for the investigation of a sitting present. Those rules will now be tested.

0:26.2

It's Thursday, August 23rd.

0:34.4

From the time the founders sat down and created the documents and the constitution that this

0:42.5

country is based on, they knew there would be this incredibly difficult question that the

0:49.6

country would have to wrestle with, which was, how would the government investigate itself?

0:56.2

And in particular, how would the government investigate the president? It was not clear.

1:02.6

And over our history, at three distinct points, we've seen this tested. Nixon, Clinton, and now Trump.

1:23.3

Mike Schmidt, take us back to the first time that this was tested. What was it that prompted

1:29.2

the investigation into Richard Nixon? In 1972, burglars broke into the headquarters of the

1:40.8

Democratic National Committee in the Watergate Hotel in Washington. Mr. Nixon says,

1:46.7

emphatically, that the White House is in no way involved in the burglary and bugging of the

1:51.6

Democratic headquarters. And he'll have no further comment on that matter. This leads to questions

1:57.6

about the involvement of the president. And it needs to be investigated.

2:03.9

There's still another Watergate investigation in the offing, the one to be conducted by a special

2:08.0

prosecutor. The Justice Department ultimately appoints a special prosecutor.

2:13.6

He has archibald cops. An investigator who is supposed to be protected from outside politics

2:20.8

to look into the burglary.

2:23.3

Good evening. The country tonight is in the midst of what may be the most serious constitutional

2:29.1

crisis in its history. What happens is that along the way in that investigation, Nixon fires

2:37.2

archibald cops in the Saturday Night Massacre. All of this adds up to a totally unprecedented

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