Hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO podcast. First interview of 2026. I was going to say January

2026, which it is, but here we are. It's an incredibly cold day here in the UK. I have hand warmers, hot water bottles

and a blanket and if the video quality was any higher, you would see the breath coming off as I speak.

It is that cold. But hopefully some hot topics to go all Alan Partridge on you, to introduce you to a guest

today. I've not had on the podcast before, but he was born in the US.

He was at the University of Oregon grad go ducks.

I believe that's a US sports thing with an art degree and tech career.

David Grush snatched his ontologicals, which is why he is on the show today.

And that is the words of Mr. Ryan Perkey. Ryan, welcome me. Hi, thanks for having me on, Andy. Good to have you. And listen, you're one of the few guests I've ever met in person. And obviously I've met you in advance. We met at Saul. We had been speaking for the best part of 2025. one of those where I'm really bad at reaching out to people

and yeah we'll get something arranged and I don't get it arranged

but the timing looked good because you've

we're not going to get to it just yet but you've dropped an article on your substack

which is really really interesting around sceptics debunkers

Donald Mansell that the history of the UFO cover up

maybe back to even when it started and how that's pertinent to now. And I think it's going to be

incredibly relevant going into 2026, even with Mr. George Knapp on the latest weaponised,

mentioning that something is coming down the pipeline that is going to throw a

spanner in the works or attempt to with the UAP caucus and, you know, delegitimise the study

or the issues they are trying to get into with UFOs.

All of that is incredibly relevant.

We're going to get there, but let's chat about you first, Ryan.

Let's introduce you to the listeners and viewers.

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