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The Megyn Kelly Show

The Mafia Code, Turning on the Mob, and Life After Prison, with "Sammy the Bull" Gravano | Ep. 352

The Megyn Kelly Show

SiriusXM

Society & Culture, News, News Commentary

4.632.8K Ratings

🗓️ 7 July 2022

⏱️ 98 minutes

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Summary

Megyn Kelly is joined by "Sammy the Bull" Gravano, host of the "Our Thing" podcast and former Gambino family mobster, to talk about why he turned on the mafia, how he survived hits on his life, life growing up, how he got involved with the mafia and Gambino crime family, the feeling he had after making his first kill, his connection to God but not religion, the Mafia "code" (and breaking it), family and parenting, the power that came from his mafia role, the cultural cache of "The Godfather," the breaking news of James Caan's death, Gravano on Caan's and Sinatra's associations with the mob, what witness protection was like, how Sammy the Bull got involved with social media and YouTube, and more.

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, your home for open, honest and provocative conversations.

0:07.0

Hey, welcome to the Megan Kelly Show. I'm Megan Kelly. We have a fascinating program for you today.

0:19.0

One filled with crime, murder, money, and betrayal. Today we're talking to one of the most infamous

0:24.2

mobsters in American history, Salvatore Gravano, otherwise known as Sammy the Bull. To understand his story,

0:32.2

we have to take a step back in time to the early 1970s when the godfather hit the big screen and

0:39.2

changed the perception of the mafia in America.

0:42.2

You spent time with your family? Sure I do. But it doesn't spend time with this family can never be a real man.

0:52.2

You look terrible. Once a day, once you're the rest of the world and the month from now this Hollywood big shot is going to give you what you want.

1:01.2

It's too late. They start shooting in a week. I want to make them an awfully gang refuse.

1:08.2

At about that same time, Gravano, a kid who grew up without mob connections in his family, slowly eased into a cosonostra and made his first kill.

1:20.2

Over the course of the next two decades, Sammy the Bull would rise up the ranks of New York's notorious Gambino crime family,

1:27.2

breaking in millions upon millions of dollars and repeatedly killing. He is admitted to nineteen murders and all, including his own brother-in-law, his best friend,

1:38.2

and the Gambino family mob boss Paul Castelano in 1985. Deadly messages from organized crime, two organized crime, and the rest of society.

1:48.2

The murder of Gambino crime family boss Paul Castelano yesterday, or the 1979 assassination of cosonostra Don, Carmen Galenty, unsolved very public executions by an underworld that plays by their own rules and their own code of justice.

2:03.2

The Castelano murder particularly brazen and defiant since Castelano was gunned down a day before he was to resume standing trial for auto theft and murder.

2:12.2

Organized crime had served up its own sentence.

2:16.2

By the late 1980s, the new Don John Gotti had named Sammy the Bull his right hand man.

2:24.2

Gotti himself was a ruthless mobster and media darling who dressed in expensive suits and enjoyed the finer things in life, earning him the nickname the Dapper Don.

2:35.2

He also repeatedly escaped conviction with, as it would turn out, Sammy's help, which we'll get to, earning him another nickname, the Teflon Don.

2:46.2

Remember how they used that about Donald Trump? Well, it was first about John Gotti.

2:50.2

But in 1991, everything changed. John Gotti and Sammy the Bull were behind bars facing a slew of charges when Sammy decided to flip and do the unthinkable cooperate with the feds.

3:03.2

At the time, he was the highest ranking gangster to break his blood oath, earning him the ire of mob officianados who dubbed him a rat.

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