Ah, she's brilliant. Miss, I finally got plans out the group chat. We get it. Four votes for a festival,

three for a city break. It's hard to adhere to everyone's needs. There's Betty with her oversized tent.

Sarah and her six foot eight boyfriend.

All right.

Roger Junior and his dog, Roger Senior.

And don't get us started on Mel.

But, like a marriage counselor, she's the one keeping things together.

All aboard Miss I finally got plans out the group chat. Keep everyone's plans alive when you

travel with us. P and Dau Ferries, there is another way. Okay. We're on. Today's guest, we've got Terry Murlings. Terry how are we?

Well, very well, thank you.

First of all, thanks for coming on a show Terry. No problem.

You're a reading, one of the reading polygraph experts in the UK. One of the reasons why you're on a show today is because you're the man who gave Lick Mitchell and his mom the polygraph

test which both passed with flying colors but there's also a lot of sceptics

asking questions why the courts can't use them and you can't release people

from prison you can lie on them and believe if you're that much a social path

and believe your own lies you can track them. So today's to kind of give

your side of things and let you have your say. So first of all Terry how did it all begin

for you how did you get into being one of the leading experts in a year?

I don't actually like the word expert to be perfectly fair because I think we're always

learning.

So you can't be at the top of the game.

You have to do updated training and obviously I was one of the

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