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Robert P. Jones says it's time for white Christians to reckon with white supremacy.

The founder and CEO of the Public Religion Research Institute, which looks at the intersection of religion, culture, and politics,

says that white Christian churches, quote, have not just been complacent or complicit

in failing to address racism. Rather, as the dominant cultural power in the U.S., they have been

responsible for constructing and sustaining a project to protect white supremacy. Jones' new book

is White Too Long, the legacy of white supremacy in American Christianity.

Robert P. Jones, thanks so much for joining us. Oh, thanks for having me. Glad to be here.

I mean, that assertion that white Christian churches have been responsible for constructing and

sustaining a project to protect white supremacy. It's one of several bold

conclusions you make in your book. First, could you start by defining what you mean by white

supremacy? Yeah, no, I think this is really important. You know, I think, you know, even if you

had asked me 10 years ago, you know, to think about white supremacy before I really started working on the book, you know, I would think of people in sheets, burning crosses in people's lawns, you know, the kind of extremist KKK elements.

But, you know, it's much broader than that. It really is if we just flip the words around from white supremacy to the supremacy of whites,

it is this conviction and belief that whites are the superior race and that in Christian parlance,

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