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The New Statesman

Hello, I'm Nick Harris, and this is the new Statesman podcast.

Our listeners will have heard our editor Tom McHagg host the podcast for the past few days,

but today the tables are turned.

The interviewer becomes the interviewee.

Tom, you're sitting in a guest spot to discuss the publication of your new book

Between the Waves, The Hidden History of a Very British Revolution. It's quite a mysterious

title. So where do you get the phrase between the waves from? Well, it comes from a poem, T.S. Eliot

poem from Little Gidding, a poem that he wrote in 42, it was published in

1942. And I came across it because it was a favorite of a lot of the conservative

philosophers, conservative politicians in the post-war, early post-war Britain. And they would, some of

them would kind of obsess about this poem. And all the way through to people like Roger Scruton,

who would write these great essays about it. And what he said that Elliot had kind of captured

a sort of timeless England that mattered to him

and what he, what was at the sort of heart of his philosophy.

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