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The Logical Case for Socialism (and Against Capitalism) w/ Scott Sehon

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Politics, Society & Culture, News

4.91.8K Ratings

🗓️ 13 August 2024

⏱️ 118 minutes

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Summary

Facts don’t care about your feelings. Logic isn’t fair. Reason isn’t concerned with your emotions. These oft-regurgitated cliches hurled at the left by those on the right might sound familiar to you. Hey, maybe they’ve even been directed at you personally. And, aside from seeing these claims from the right as simply funny, they’re also quite ironic. Because, when you actually dig down into the arguments of both the left and the right, it becomes quite clear, quite quickly, that the facts are actually on our side. That when you use logic and reason to argue for either capitalism or socialism, it’s socialism that comes out as the winner. Everytime.

There are many tools in the left’s toolbox when it comes to convincing those we interact with about the superiority of socialism. We do have arguments that center on fairness and equity, on more feelings-based arguments, which are very compelling and which we should certainly not abandon. But we also have a vast arsenal of arguments that rely on simple logic. And it’s some of these arguments that we’re going to explore—both in favor of socialism and against capitalism—in this episode. And we’ve brought on the perfect guest to walk us through this style of argumentation.

Scott Sehon is a Professor of philosophy at Bowdoin College and author of the book Socialism: A Logical Introduction, published by Oxford University Press. In this episode, we introduce the philosophical study of logic and how to construct and deconstruct logical formulas and logical arguments. We then apply this knowledge to the real world by asking what is the better economic system: socialism or capitalism? In the process we discredit and overturn some of the most common arguments for capitalism, we explore what we actually mean by socialism and socialistic societies, we explore a great deal of empirical data suggesting the superiority of societies with more democratic control and more egalitarian distribution, and, we talk about the importance of utilizing the tools of logic and reason as socialists.

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Cover artwork: Carolyn Raider
Intermission music: "Invisible Rain" by Stick To Your Guns

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0:00.0

Just a quick announcement before we jump into this episode.

0:03.4

We've partnered with our friends at All Power Books

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to host a live podcast recording in Los Angeles

0:11.1

on Saturday, August 24th, with journalist and activist Abby Martin from The Empire

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files.

0:18.4

We've thrown a link to the Eventbright in the show notes, you can go to all power books.org

0:26.0

forward slash upstream. If you're in the area and available we'd love to meet you and

0:32.1

see you there.

0:33.0

Okay, now on with the show.

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Oh, uh, It's generally speaking the right that has tried to claim the mantle of reason and logic and argument.

1:07.0

You have Ben Shapiro saying that facts don't care about your feelings and

1:11.0

the caricature of the left is that it's as if we're in a basketball

1:16.4

game and the other team scores a point and scores of basket and we say no that's just not fair because well I don't know we

1:25.1

I don't like you or you're taller than us or you had a better background so we

1:29.0

win just by default and that's the caricature of those of us on the left and so if nothing else, if nothing else, I want to show that no, no, we can play that game too. I think it's a very good game. I'm all for it. I'm all for a reason. I'm all for

1:47.6

Facts. That's not to say I'm against feelings, but I think that we do need to base our reasoning on empirical data, on our

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reasons, and on logical inference.

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