The Lionizing of Charlie Kirk With Ryan Grim, Plus Malik B on Viral Comedy

Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay

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Society & Culture

4.8 • 11.3K Ratings

🗓️ 23 September 2025

⏱️ 184 minutes

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Summary

Van and Rachel welcome ‘Counter Points’ cohost Ryan Grim to discuss his and other platforms’ coverage of Charlie Kirk in the days since his death, before comedian Malik B joins to talk how he literally fought for a role in ‘Creed,’ and his new Hulu special, ‘LOL Live With Malik B.’ (00:00) Intro (10:21) Having uncomfortable conversations (33:27) Ryan Grim joins the show (1:27:28) OG Corner: Van Jones & Stephen A. Smith (1:54:12) Democratic leadership (2:05:33) Ghostface Killa and Infinite Coles (2:16:49) Malik B joins the show (2:56:10) ‘Jimmy Kimmel Live!’ returns Hosts: Van Lathan Jr. and Rachel Lindsay Guests: Ryan Grim and Malik B Producer: Donnie Beacham Jr. Video Supervision: Chris Thomas Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Yo, yo, thought warriors.
0:04.3	What is up?
0:05.4	Her learning is on as Iivan Latelyn Jr.
0:07.2	And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay.
0:09.4	I want to say something real quick before you get started.
0:11.6	It's a lot going on.
0:12.4	But I want to shout out.
0:14.9	Everybody out there that's still fucking.
0:19.9	What are we going with this?
0:21.9	It's not going to take very long, but I heard a very funny story from somebody that I know.
0:27.0	Sorry, I almost made a joke.
0:28.4	Tell me.
0:29.3	Well, you were like, see, I'm becoming you, and I don't know if I like it.
0:34.7	You go, I'm not going to take very long.
0:37.0	Fucking.
0:54.1	Okay, keep going. I got the animal pack for that, though. You take the animal pack. You're good. The animal pack helps. Animal pack. I don't want to give Animal Pack like a free advertisement, but you take the animal pack. You know what used to be good for that? The Lexa Pro. Really?
0:57.4	Lexa Pro have you out here. The thing... Oh, it makes you go longer.
1:01.9	But even...
1:02.7	I thought it hindered you, but... It did. But even like, it's funny, all of my SSRI people out
1:09.1	here know this. The first, I'm just gonna keep it real.
1:13.2	There's a lady in the room, but I gotta keep it real
1:14.8	if we're gonna talk about this.
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