Gide, humans. Welcome to the safe space for dangerous ideas and what idea could be more

dangerous, more insulting, more offensive to the dignity and propriety of we good upstanding

citizens than the notion that many of us are walking around with a deep inner desire or curiosity

for some deviant fetish to be mistreated or to mistreat others in the pursuit of erotic lust.

This is the theory upon which I suppose all of today's guests' work and life is based.

She is one of the world's leading dominatrixes.

She would blush at my describing her that way because she thinks she's just doing her thing.

But when you're charging tens of thousands of dollars a day, I think you can admit that you

are, you have reached a level of, in an industry that is able to touch people in certain ways.

Metaphorically, you don't be dirty.

I didn't mean touching in that way.

I meant you're touching people's buttons.

You're pushing their, oh, I think that's even getting worse, aren't I?

One of and I stop talking about touching parts of people that may resemble buttons

and get back to the point, which is Eva O spends her life in relation to other people

in a way that I can only barely glimpse and comprehend.

I mean, I cannot imagine being the type of person who spends my time getting so raw and intimate with people and taking them into such weird places.

And that's such a funny thing for me to say because in some ways my job and Eva raises

this analogy during our chat is about exploring interesting avenues in other people's worlds.

Just not those particular worlds.

Until now, Eva is fascinating.

I'm not going to talk about her anymore,

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