John Maxwell's office. Hello. You helped me, I must.

Yeah, this is Clay Clark. I'm trying to reach John Maxwell.

Yoda, you seek leadership. Yoda.

I guess you could call him that. I mean, he has sold 20 million books and he's been the speaker of choice for the NFL,

Keller Williams, Delta Airlines. Pretty much everybody. Is he available?

In due time, take you to him, I will. But first, we must eat.

This is a live call-in podcast kind of a deal. I don't know that it's going to go over super well,

you know, with all of our hundreds of thousands of listeners listening to you and I eat.

No, no, no, and patience you are.

Please, I promise, if this goes well, you and I are going to get together in the future

and we can levitate rocks together. It's going to be awesome.

Patience, you must have my unpaddle. Transfer you now, I will.

Some shows don't need a celebrity narrator to introduce the show,

but this show dies two men, eight kids co-created by two different women,

13 multi-million dollar businesses, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the thrine time show.

Yes, yes, yes, and yes, ladies and gentlemen, on today's show, we have the opportunity to

interview a legendary leadership expert and in multiple time, New York Times best-selling author

who has sold over 20 million copies of his books throughout his career.

Throughout John Maxwell's career, he has served as a senior pastor of multiple churches and he's

been the keynote speaker of choice for the United States Military Academy at West Point,

the National Football League, Keller Williams, Delta Airlines, Microsoft, and countless

Fortune 500 companies. I first read John's book, The 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership,

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