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The Daily

The Lawyers Now Turning on Trump

The Daily

The New York Times

Daily News, News

4.4102.8K Ratings

🗓️ 24 October 2023

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Summary

Over the past few days, two of the lawyers who tried to help former President Donald J. Trump stay in power after losing the 2020 election pleaded guilty in a Georgia racketeering case and have agreed to cooperate with prosecutors against him. Richard Faussett, who writes about politics in the American South for The Times, explains why two of Mr. Trump’s former allies have now turned against him. Guest: Richard Fausset, a correspondent for The New York Times covering the American South.

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0:00.0

From New York Times, I'm Michael Bobaro. This is the Daily.

0:05.0

Over the past few days, two of the lawyers who tried to help Donald Trump stay in power

0:17.0

after losing the 2020 election, pleaded guilty in a Georgia racketeering case and have agreed to cooperate with prosecutors

0:26.1

against the former president.

0:29.1

Today, my colleague Richard Fawcett on why Trump's own advisors are now flipping. It's Tuesday,

0:45.0

Tuesday, October 24th. Richard of all the court cases against Donald Trump and there are many of them

0:57.9

you told us from the start that the case filed against him in Georgia, accusing him of trying to steal the 2020 election there,

1:05.8

was extremely important, largely because of the nature of the prosecution.

1:10.0

It's a racketeering case that treats Trump as the leader of a criminal conspiracy.

1:15.2

And the way that these cases work frequently is that in order to convict a person at the top of a case like this, you tend to need lower-level

1:26.2

defendants, co-conspirators, to flip, to turn on Trump.

1:31.4

That's right, and this is what we wondered from the beginning. Which of these 19

1:38.0

indicted co-conspirators might end up trying to make a deal pleading guilty and agreeing to cooperate with prosecutors.

1:46.4

In fact, a former prosecutor here in Georgia once told us that, you know, imagine this multi-person racketeering conspiracy indictment that lists 19 people.

1:57.0

And imagine it as a kind of carpet that you roll up from the bottom.

2:01.0

A lot of times, the most prominent figure in an

2:04.6

racketeering indictment will be listed as what prosecutors actually sometimes

2:08.1

called Dude Number One. In this case it's Donald J Trump who's dude number one.

2:13.2

And imagine rolling up these smaller, lower level

2:17.9

participants in the alleged scheme

2:20.2

who then produce a lot of pressure on the way up.

2:22.6

So there was always a question about who was going to participate,

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