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The Lavender Scare (Throwback)

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Society & Culture, History, Documentary

4.715K Ratings

🗓️ 20 June 2024

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

One day in late April 1958, a young economist named Madeleine Tress was approached by two men in suits at her office at the U.S. Department of Commerce. They took her to a private room, turned on a tape recorder, and demanded she respond to allegations that she was an "admitted homosexual." Two weeks later, she resigned.

Madeleine was one of thousands of victims of a purge of gay and lesbian people ordered at the highest levels of the U.S. government: a program spurred by a panic that destroyed careers and lives and lasted more than forty years. Today, it's known as the "Lavender Scare."

In a moment when LGBTQ+ rights are again in the public crosshairs, we tell the story of the Lavender Scare: its victims, its proponents, and a man who fought for decades to end it.

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0:00.0

A warning before we get started, this episode contains homophobic language and a description of suicide. On a hot day,

0:13.8

hot day, a lot, a young economist working at the Department of Commerce

0:29.2

named Madeline Tress was brought into a room with no air conditioning for an interview.

0:36.6

It wasn't done by Department of Commerce People.

0:39.8

It wasn't done by Department of Commerce people.

0:43.2

That's Madeline Truss's voice in an oral history interview

0:46.2

made decades after the incident.

0:48.8

She had incredible credentials.

0:49.9

She went to NYU.

0:52.0

She'd spent some time at the London School of Economics.

0:55.0

She'd worked really hard to get this job as an economist.

0:59.0

You know, so she's beginning this career in government service.

1:05.8

Madeline was wearing a pale blue suit and high heels,

1:09.1

the day of the interview.

1:10.4

The two investigators who called her in worked for the US Civil Service Commission.

1:15.0

They turned on a tape recorder.

1:18.0

They began by saying,

1:20.0

Ms Tress, your voluntary appearance here today has been requested in order to afford you an opportunity to answer

1:26.6

questions concerning information which has been received by the U.S. Civil Service Commission.

1:32.4

She's asked us where... the U.S. Civil Service Commission.

1:35.0

She's asked to wear an oath. And she realizes this is much more serious than she anticipated.

1:40.0

She asks if she can have an attorney, and they say, no, she can't.

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