I'm going to be diving very deep into the last of us part two full spoilers are in effect.

If you haven't played the game, turn back now, go play it, go finish it, and then come

back and listen to this episode because we're going to dive.

Into full spoiler territory with Lucio Bryan, my cast members with me.

But more importantly, I'm sorry, Lucie.

You don't have the highest honor in this episode because we are joined by Neil Druckmann and

Halle Gross from Naughty Dog for the last of us part two. Thank you both so much for being here

and speaking with us today. Thanks for having us. Yeah, excited.

Thank you for 2020, how's your 2020 being guys?

It's incredible. It's around the corner. It was a boring year of my life.

Nothing much of a note has happened this year, definitely. So we'll try to find something to

talk about this episode. I know Lucy and myself will have a ton that we want to ask you about

and talk about with this episode. And as much as I'd love to spend the next 30 minutes exclusively

honoring the memory of shimmer, there are some other conversations I do want to get into.

And I we are going to go into spoiler. So it's going to get there. I will eventually get into

actual story beats I promise, but I did want to talk sort of about the I think just jumping right

into the structure of the story for me would be a really interesting place to start because

Neil, you and I spoke a little bit before the game came out and we talked a bit about

sort of how the the structure of the game chain through development. And I was sort of curious

if you could both talk about, you know, primarily we have this sort of two factor story of the

the first half really focusing on Ellie's journey and then the second half focusing on Abby's

journey, mostly in Seattle, but a little bit in Jackson. How did that story flow evolve as you

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