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Lynchburg, Tennessee, knew the story of nearest green, the former slave who taught Jack Daniels how to make whiskey.

But Fawn Weaver dug deep and reported the true story to the whole world.

There are so many African-Americans who helped to start industries that helped to invent things that helped to perfect things, and we will never know their names.

And so for the very few whose names we do know, to have the ability and the opportunity to honor them is huge.

Before we hear from Fawn Weaver, I chat with journalist Wyatt Williams, who retraced John McFee's expedition to Florida's orange groves, and found an industry in rapid decline.

Wyatt, how are we on? I'm doing great today. How are you, Chris?

Good. Let's set the scene. It's 1965. It's at the Office of William Sean, the editor of the New Yorker. For many, many years, and John McFee is sitting in the office wondering about his next story. And what happens next?

Well, as the story goes, he's just recently finished a very long profile of a young basketball player, and he is trying to figure out what he's going to write from the magazine next.

He's just been hired on as a staff writer, and they're going through idea after idea. And McFee would suggest a story.

And Sean would say, no, that idea is reserved for another writer. Or he'd suggest another idea, and he'd say, no, no, that isn't quite right. That isn't quite interesting.

And at some point in a kind of frustration, McFee simply said, oranges.

And Sean said, yes. Yes, yes. I think the quote is exactly, at least according to McFee, oh yes, oh yes, that's very good.

And then McFee says the next thing he knew, he was down in Florida interviewing orange growers.

So two years later, the book oranges is published.

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