What you are about to hear is the majority of a conversation that I had with Jeremy Lee Quinn,

who was the only national reporter on the ground in the Lahaina area in the week after the

fires, as I understand it. It was an excellent conversation. Unfortunately, it was marred by

technical difficulties that caused the audio on Jeremy's side not to be recorded for the first

20 minutes or so. So the conversation will start abruptly midstream. I think it is still well worth a

listen. It is a viewpoint that you likely have not heard and, frankly, his perspective changed my

opinion of what likely happened in Lahaina quite substantially. So I hope that you will give it a

listen. I apologize for the technical failure and I apologize to Jeremy who has done heroic work

in unearthing the story surrounding this terrible disaster. Hey, folks, welcome to a very special

live edition of the Dark Horse podcast with Jeremy Lee Quinn, who is a photojournalist. He is also

a broadcaster working with a local affiliate in Hawaii. Jeremy Lee Quinn, welcome to Dark Horse.

Yeah, very good to see you and I should mention that you have been a guest on Dark Horse,

I believe twice before, which brings us to an odd fact of the story, which I think has no relevance

here, but you are very frequently at the epicenter of major historical events. In the other cases,

I know of it's because you have deliberately brought yourself there, knowing that things were

occurring and that journalism needed to occur. In this case, it seems like you've been working in

Hawaii for the last two years and the fire or fires in Maui, the fire in Lahaina happened and

you found your way into that story because it needed to be reported. The chaos that has come

with the response is indicative of only that chaos. Well, and you can imagine in the circumstance

that unfolded, right? You've got fires springing up, people in charge of dealing with fires,

A, don't know how many there actually are. They know about the fires that are reported. They

don't know about what fires they may be about to be surprised with. They have to divide resources

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