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Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz show on IHeart Radio.

My guest today is John Tierney.

John is a contributing editor to City Journal and a former columnist for the New York Times.

He is the co-author, rediscovering the greatest human strength and the power of bad,

how the negativity

effect rules us and how we can rule it. Hi, John. So nice to have you on. Thanks very much for

inviting me on. I'm a huge fan. I'm a huge fan. I was just going to say I am a huge, huge fan.

And it's rare that I remember the very first thing. I read by somebody, but I remember the first column. I read by you.

And maybe you can guess what it is. It was sort of a big deal. It was 30 years ago. I was in college.

And of course, it was recycling is garbage. It was the first time. And, you know, I was already a

conservative, but it was the first time that I realized, wow, we could be told total nonsense by experts.

So you really opened my eyes to that and led me, you know, and have that sensation throughout my life.

What was the huge controversy about that piece?

Well, it set a record for hate mail at the New York Times Magazine.

It was a cover story, recycling is garbage, which I don't think they'd ever run today.

No, definitely not.

Although they didn't, I did their credit, that was like in 97 or something like that, 96.

Yeah, 96, right.

And then in 2017, they asked me to come back and revisit it for the, you know, the Sunday

review section.

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