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Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz show on IHartRadio.

My guest today is Jan Yuckelik.

Jan is an Epok Times senior editor, host of American thought leaders, and the author of the excellent new book and New York Times bestseller, Killed to Order.

Buy it anywhere you buy your books.

Hi, Jan. So nice to have you on.

Oh, I'm thrilled to be here.

I'm thrilled to have the tables turn, so to speak.

I love that.

I loved our interview when you interviewed me for my book. I'm reading Killed to Order. I was so loving speak. I love that. I loved our interview when you interviewed me from my book. I'm reading

Killed to Order. I was so loving it. Tell me about the impetus to write Kilt

Order. So, I mean, it's an issue. This forced organ harvesting, the Chinese Communist Party's

forced organ harvesting from prisoners of conscience at scale is something that I've been

covering for 20 years. I've done, I did some of the original reporting on it back in the day.

There's actually kind of a crazy moment where there was a press event at Auschwitz,

actually around it that I was involved in. And that was kind of, again, the beginnings of this reporting.

And I'm very, I've always been interested. This is a sound a bit weird, but I've always been

interested in crimes against humanity. My father-in-law was a Holocaust survivor. Unfortunately,

he passed a couple of years ago. And it's just, I've just been sort of deeply thinking over the years why humanity can do

such horrible things to itself, right? And this is just kind of been an area of study for me.

And this Oregon industry, you know, one of the great researchers of it, David Mattis,

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