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And every day around, not every bidet, but often at this time, we have been talking with

Royal Oaks from ABC News, the legal correspondent, on the latest activity in the Trump

trial, because 4 o'clock on the East Coast and most days the trial

had had wound down for the day. Not today though, they have the jury still deliberating.

Still. I mean, they've been doing it since this morning. Let's see. They have to have a scoreboard on CNN, four hours, 37 minutes. Fox claims it's going on four hours and 38 minutes. Now 439. So Fox has the jury deliberating two minutes longer than CNN. It's not the only diversion in the two networks coverage.

We've talked about that a lot. The jury has sent two notes. One of the notes just about,

let's say, 15 minutes ago or so. And we're going to get Royal Oaks on from ABC News to talk about the notes and the judge's instructions to the jury.

Royal, how are you?

Doing great, John.

And as you know, as a longtime watcher of these high-profile trials, sometimes jurors, you know, they sit there in silence for a week.

This jury, an hour or two in, boom,

they're coming out with a question. They want to have a rereading of Michael Cohen's testimony,

and they want to hear David Pecker again, the guy that orchestrated the catch-and-kill deal.

And then, just now a few minutes ago, they got a second question. They want the judge to reread some

instruction. So these

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