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On Point | Podcast

The Jackpod: 'Fed ... on fantasies'

On Point | Podcast

WBUR

Talk Show, Daily News, News, Npr, On Point, Daily

4.23.5K Ratings

🗓️ 31 October 2024

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

On Point news analyst Jack Beatty on the political power of fantasy over reality and its role in Trumpian politics in the U.S.

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0:00.0

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0:16.3

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0:29.0

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0:51.8

I'm Megna Chakrabardi, and this is the Jackpot, where on-point news analyst, Jack Beattie, helps us connect history, literature, and politics in a way that brings his unique clarity to the world we live in now.

0:52.6

Hello there, Jack.

0:56.9

Hello, Magna. Episode 56. What's the headline?

1:04.2

Fed on fantasies. That has a poetic ring to it, Jack. Am I right about that?

1:16.0

Indeed. It's taken from a W.B. Yates poem included in his meditations in time of civil war. And the line is,

1:26.1

we had fed the heart on fantasies, the hearts grown brutal from the fair. That line could be the epigraph to the Trump era as the, you know, the canonical Yatesian lyrics,

1:32.2

the center cannot hold, the best lack all conviction, etc.

1:35.9

became for the 1960s, thanks partly to Joan Didion's essay collection of 1968, slouching toward Bethlehem, but fed on fantasies and

1:47.6

brutal from the fair. That expresses something very true of our political era. And I was put in

1:57.1

mind of that quotation, reading a review in the New York Review of books, of books

2:04.4

about Weimar Germany and the rise of Hitler. And in one of them, the author makes a point

2:12.0

about fantasy, the grip of fantasy, on German hearts. He says Germans were partly because of the unique circumstances of that time,

2:25.0

defeat in a war, massive inflation, you know, disorder in the streets,

2:31.3

fighting between right and left and so on, that they, many of them simply

2:36.6

rejected reality.

2:38.9

They rejected reality.

2:41.1

And they backed Hitler, quote, because he gave voice to their flight from reality.

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