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With us right now is Pedro Gonzalez from Chronicles magazine amongst many other wonderful publications.

Pedro, welcome back to the program. What is the iron law of oligarchy?

Thanks for having back Charlie. So the iron law of oligarchy was proposed by a German born Italian sociologist, Nam Grover, Miko's.

It's very ominous sounding but really it's just kind of stating a fact, a fact of life.

And that is that when you look at political parties because this theory is based on an examination of how political parties in democratic societies actually function.

It doesn't matter if a political party calls itself a social democratic party. In that political party what will inevitably develop is a kind of hierarchy.

It's just a fact right in any kind of organization you have a leadership class.

So again, it doesn't matter if a political party calls itself socialist or democratic or whatever, a leadership class will emerge that delegates tasks and makes decisions that affect the entire, the much larger group.

That is what the sociologist, Miko's called an oligarchy or in planar terms and elites, basically just a leadership class.

Now this dynamic that he identified in the political party in any democratic society also applies to trade unions.

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