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🗓️ 1 October 2025
⏱️ 94 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | So many women feel guilty when they rest. Why is rest the first thing we sacrifice and how do we start |
| 0:05.6 | breaking free from that guilt? With our conscious and unconscious agreement, it keeps us so enslaved to |
| 0:12.5 | busyness that it's impossible to really attend to anything else, including what's happening in the |
| 0:18.9 | world and around us. I think it comes from this core idea that's passed on to women by women. |
| 0:24.8 | To be a quote-unquote good woman, you will subjugate what you want, |
| 0:28.7 | which might be a desire for rest, to other people's needs. |
| 0:31.9 | And the needs are endless. |
| 0:33.3 | We end up in this perpetual hamster wheel servicing the world and its inhabitants rather than |
| 0:39.1 | tuning in to ourselves. What if they do feel like real needs, though? Like if you have children, |
| 0:44.0 | those are real needs and you do need to attend to them. You want to attend to your partner's needs. |
| 0:48.7 | You need to attend to the needs of your work. How do you begin to distinguish what needs you can |
| 0:52.6 | maybe deprioritize to make |
| 0:54.4 | room for yourself? I think what's sold to women and that we pick up is this idea that we're the only |
| 1:00.2 | one who can service those needs. And it's on us to do it with a sort of religious fervor. I'm married. |
| 1:06.1 | I have two boys and similar to you. I'm trying to build my own little media world, and yet I still find |
| 1:14.0 | myself doing far more than my husband, and not because he's making me, but because it's part |
| 1:19.7 | of this mantle that I've picked up about what it is to be a good woman and what it is to be a good |
| 1:23.9 | mother. Hi, I'm Elise Lunin, the author of The New York Times bestseller on |
| 1:28.1 | Our Best Behavior and the host of Pulling the Threat. Elise, welcome to the podcast. Thanks for having me. |
| 1:34.4 | Tell me about performative motherhood. A good mother performs all of these acts of devotion to her children. |
| 1:40.5 | And yes, some of them are necessary. My kids need to eat and be clothes and educated. And some of |
| 1:46.0 | them are certainly in the extra credit category of performative motherhood that we see all over |
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