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'The Interview': Misty Copeland Changed Ballet. Now She's Ready to Move On.

The Daily

The New York Times

Daily News, News

4.4102.8K Ratings

🗓️ 7 June 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

The American Ballet Theater’s first Black female principal dancer on everything she’s fought for and the decision to end her historic career with the company.Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

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0:00.0

Hi, it's David, and I'm here to tell you about something new and exciting we're doing at the interview.

0:05.4

If you listen to the show every week, you might not know that we also record many of them as video podcasts.

0:10.9

And now we have our own YouTube channel where you can find lots of interviews, including with this week's guest, Misty Copeland.

0:16.8

To watch, go to YouTube.com slash at the interview podcast and hit subscribe while you're there.

0:23.3

Okay, here's this week's show.

0:31.5

From the New York Times, this is the interview. I'm David Marquesie.

0:37.3

It's not easy to have a clear perspective on a momentous life change, especially one that's just

0:42.7

happened.

0:43.6

But in today's episode, that's exactly what I'll be asking Misty Copeland to try to do.

0:48.0

Because in this interview, Copeland is announcing her retirement from the American Ballet Theater

0:52.7

after a 25-year career there,

0:55.2

putting a cap on a groundbreaking and remarkable trajectory. She grew up in near poverty,

1:00.6

her family often without a home of its own, and she didn't even start dancing seriously

1:04.5

until she was 13, which is really late for a ballerina. But despite all that, she eventually

1:10.4

joined the ABT in 2001, and after a 15-year

1:13.7

climb, became the first black woman ever to be named a principal dancer with the company.

1:18.9

She'll be dancing her farewell performance this fall. Copeland, who's 42, is stepping away from

1:25.1

the stage at a fraught time. The values of diversity and inclusion, which she embodies and works to promote, are under

1:31.6

political attack, and cultural institutions are being made to reckon with partisan antagonism

1:36.8

from Washington.

1:38.6

So there's a lot for her to wrestle with right now, both personally and professionally,

1:42.6

as she looks back on a legacy she's leaving behind

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