From the New York Times, this is the interview.

I'm David Marquesi.

What happens when you reach middle age and the very things that sustained you,

that gave you structure and identity that made you you, are gone?

That kind of supercharged middle-age crisis is precisely

what happened to Jen Hadmaker, twice. Hadmaker, who is 51 years old, had built a career as a

Christian women's influencer, best-selling author, and TV personality. But about a decade ago,

she went through a very public shift away from some of her more conservative

stances, a shift that alienated a big part of her audience and forced her to find a new one.

Then in 2020, Hatmaker discovered that her husband of 26 years was cheating on her.

They divorced soon after, and for the second time, she had to pick up the broken pieces of her past life and start all over.

Her upcoming book, Awake, a Memoir, which will be published next month,

marks the first time she's gone into detail publicly about that painful, heartbreaking, but ultimately hopeful process.

Here's my conversation with Jen Hatmaker.

Hi, Jen. Good morning. How are you? I'm good. Nice to meet you. Good to meet you. If you're

ready to get started, we can get started. I'm ready. All right. So, you know, I was looking on your website,

and you describe yourself, and you say that, you know, I used to be a darling of the evangelical

women's subculture, but now I am a bit of a problem child. So to start, how had you become a darling?

Hmm. Well, let's you become a darling? Hmm.

Well, let's just get into it.

Yep.

I grew up in a really traditional,

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