Hello, my name's Mark Blyf. I'm a professor of political economy at Brown University and I have with me today Eric Lonergan who is a hedge fund manager for M&G in London.

And the first question you should be asking yourself is what are these two

have in common? And the answer is we wrote a book called Angronomics, which seems to be getting

a fair bit of attention, which is nice. It's also a rather unusual book. We think it's one that

will be of interest to this audience, but also it's one that this audience can

share with a whole bunch of other people who aren't finance specialists. We'd like to say it's unique in the sense it has a

discussion of things like dual interest rates and helicopter money and yet you can

still give it to your uncle who doesn't have a clue how finance works. And that

was how we that's the audience we had in mind when we wrote it. So without

further ado I'm going to do something quite strange now which is I'm going to kind of interview my

co-author or rather I'm going to host myself so I'm not sure how this is going to work. Let's see how this works.

Hello Eric. How are you doing? It's nice to catch up. It's been a while. It has been a while actually. So thank you very much much real vision for giving us the opportunity to

actually have a chin wag so let me give everyone a little bit of background on another

unusual aspect of the book which is how it came about and then I want to get

into the frame the anger frame because that came through our discussion.

So let me talk to people about how that came about.

So the way that she says switching into speaker mode rather than host mode right so what happened was

Eric and I met at finance conferences prior to doing this project I had a book

called austerity the history of a dangerous idea and in order to know that I wasn't talking nonsense I wanted to meet Bond

Vigilantes so I started going to where they hang out and I met Eric and some of

his friends and people like that and very few of them were Bond Vigilantes.

They seemed to be quite sensible people

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