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Mr. Holmes, you have testified that by late August, you had a clear impression that the security assistance hold was somehow connected to the

investigations that President Trump wanted. How did you conclude that, how did you make, reach

that clear conclusion?

Sir, we've been hearing about the investigation since March months before, and we've been,

President Zelensky had received a letter, congratulatory letter from the president

saying he'd be pleased to meet him following his inauguration in May.

And we hadn't been able to get that meeting.

And then the security hold came up with no explanation.

And I'd be surprised if any of the Ukrainians, you said earlier,

we discussed earlier, you know, sophisticated people,

when they receive no explanation for why that hold was in place,

they wouldn't have drawn that conclusion.

Because the investigations were still being pursued.

Correct.

And the hold was still remaining without explanation?

Correct.

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