The Impact of AI on Warfare, With Andrew Reddie

The President’s Inbox

Council on Foreign Relations

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🗓️ 14 May 2024

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Andrew Reddie, an associate research professor of public policy at the University of California, Berkeley’s Goldman School of Public Policy, sits down with James M. Lindsay to discuss how artificial intelligence (AI) is revolutionizing warfare. Mentioned on the Episode Alan Hickey, Andrew Reddie, Sarah Shoker, and Leah Walker, "New Tools Are Needed to Address the Risks Posed by AI-Military Integration," Lawfare Max Lamparth and Jacquelyn Schneider, "Why the Military Can't Trust AI," Foreign Affairs "Political Declaration on Responsible Military Use of Artificial Intelligence and Autonomy,” U.S. Department of State For an episode transcript and show notes, visit The President’s Inbox at: https://www.cfr.org/podcasts/impact-ai-warfare-andrew-reddie

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0:00.0	Welcome to the President's Inbox, a CFR podcast about the foreign policy challenges facing the United States.
0:10.0	I'm Jim Lindsay, Director of Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations.
0:14.8	This week's topic is the impact of artificial intelligence on warfare.
0:30.1	With me to discuss how AI is revolutionizing warfare is Andrew Reddy.
0:33.7	Andrew is an associate research professor of public policy at the University of California, Berkeley's Goldman School of Public Policy.
0:39.4	He is also the founder and faculty director for the Berkeley Risk and Security Lab.
0:45.1	His work focuses on cybersecurity, nuclear weapons policy, war gaming, and emerging military
0:52.3	technologies.
0:53.9	Andrew, thank you for coming on the president's inbox.
0:56.5	Thanks so much, Jim. Let's begin, Andrew, if we can, at the 40,000 foot level. When we talk about
1:04.6	integrating artificial intelligence or AI into military operations, what exactly are we talking about? And is it all that new?
1:16.5	So despite, I think, what you're going to be seeing in the media, in reality, the integration of
1:21.9	these tools into military planning and military operations are certainly more of an evolution than a
1:26.8	revolution. So in fact,
1:28.5	a lot of these tools have been used for decades for performing data analysis applications from
1:34.0	pattern recognition to anomaly detection. And of course, recently over the last 10 to 15 years,
1:39.5	they were increasingly being used for kind of back-end functions inside of the military. So things like predictive logistics, predictive maintenance, you see those kind of decision support applications.
1:50.0	What's increasingly invoked today are conversations about how some of the latest and greatest technologies might impact decision support.
1:56.0	And of course, there are various views on this topic from those that think that that capability is going to induce a great deal of harm.
2:03.7	And then others who are quite excited about how some of these tools can really improve the efficiency, the speed and the scale of the military as they seek to kind of perform their operations.
2:12.1	Okay, Andrew, let me ask you to unpack that because we're doing a little bit of military of Pentagon speak.
2:17.8	And one of the things that is well known about Pentagon jargon is it can really obscure
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