are only for recognized religions in Eritrea.

And if you deviate from those religions,

even if it's something as simple as holding a prayer of ceremony inside your house,

then you can be put in prison.

And I started to wonder what, you know, what it was like in there.

And some of the answers I got were so horrifying and heartbreaking and also humbling

because one of the things that came back again and again in people's accounts was how

despite the most dehumanizing of conditions,

prisoners would pull the tiny little things that they had

and try to help each other stay alive.

How can I help?

How can I be useful in ending needless suffering?

Do not be afraid of work that has no end.

We have to organize a social movement.

We have an opportunity to lead, by example,

versus just talking, hot air.

I think the more people in this fight, the more we grow, eventually you could change.

You know, the people are the ones that can make the change.

Welcome back to change agents, an ironclad original presented by Montana Knife Company.

My guest today is Catherine Horrell.

Today's episode is about the humanitarian crisis in Eritrea, a country that has the second most slaves in the world, second only to North Korea of all things.

We're going to be talking about the country in general. We're going to be talking about the daily horrors that detainees experience in Eritrean prisons.

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