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Hey and welcome to Let's Talk, a podcast from the Gospel Coalition Podcast Network

where we seek to apply biblical wisdom to everyday life.

My name is Jackie Hill Perry and I am here with Melissa Kruger and Jasmine Holmes.

Today we're going to talk about something a little theological, but it's a topic that also makes a practical difference in our lives.

And that is the holiness.

That's how you have to say it, Melissa.

Holiness.

You hear the holiness of God.

What words come to mind when you think of holiness?

Perfection immediately.

Okay, fear, fear, shame in the face of holiness.

Honestly, I think my first thought isn't a word but a memory and it's growing up and are going to a missionary Baptist church

where everybody wore really long dresses, stockings, super modest, didn't have nail polish, would not play art, gamble, listen to secular music.

That whole environment is what I thought holiness was.

Which I think begs the question is, how do you think holiness is often misunderstood?

Yeah, well let's define it.

One of us is writing a book about holiness.

Ooh, it's not me, it's not me.

How would you define holiness, Jackie?

Well, I think the best way to define it is to define how God is holy.

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