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Hello, my name's David Runciman and this is past-present future, the History of Ideas podcast.

Today, in the History of Bad Ideas, I'm talking to Shannon Valler, who on an earlier series was our guide to thinking about AI.

And today, she is going to explain what is wrong with the increasingly common,

increasingly pernicious idea that technology is value-free.

Why does believing that do so much harm?

Shannon, we're talking about a topic, the idea, I would say the myth, that there can be such a thing as value-free technology.

And I'm sure people who hear this will think, and they will be right to think, that the context for this is digital technology.

And we're certainly going to talk about that. But this is an argument that predates the digital revolution. In a way, I don't want to

say always, but there has long been a question about whether technology is just a tool and

really the question of value comes with the people who use it, or whether

in the technology itself there are structures, devices, aspects of it that shape our values

often in ways that we're not aware of. So do you think of this question as almost quintessentially

a digital technology question, or do you tend to think of it as a

broader question about technology in all its forms? So I think it's definitely a broader question,

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