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Afford Anything

The Hidden Cost of Playing It Safe With Money, with Dr. Margie Warrell

Afford Anything

Paula Pant | Cumulus Podcast Network

Entrepreneurship, Business, Investing

4.63.4K Ratings

🗓️ 31 January 2025

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

#578: Fear blocks smart money moves. Ask Harvard Business Review advisor Dr. Margie Warrell, who guides Fortune 500 companies through strategic risk-taking. Her client roster includes NASA, Morgan Stanley, and Google. Her understanding of courage started at home. Her 13-year-old daughter landed an Australian TV role. She flew to LA for acting classes. There, she learned the hard truth: Success meant waiting tables for 20 years. The daughter's verdict was clear: "Mum, I don't want it enough." This reveals what Dr. Warrell calls the courage gap. It's the space between your current life and the life you could create through brave action. For investors, this gap appears daily. It's the distance between dreaming of financial independence and taking concrete steps toward building wealth. Drawing on her doctoral research and Fortune 500 consulting experience, Dr. Warrell outlines five critical steps to bridge this gap: 1. Focus on what you want, not what you fear.  Our brains have a negativity bias — we're twice as sensitive to potential losses as potential gains. This explains why market downturns feel more intense than upswings.  2. Rewrite your story.  The narratives we tell ourselves shape our actions. Perhaps you see yourself as "too risk-averse" to start a business or "not smart enough" to understand investing. Reframe these stories so you can take smart financial risks. 3. Embody courage physically.  Fear lives in our bodies — whether it's anxiety about making your first investment or launching a side business. Try simple practices like deep breathing when facing big financial decisions. 4. Step into discomfort.  Growth and comfort can't coexist. Every successful investor and entrepreneur started as a beginner. Financial literacy and business acumen develops through consistent practice. 5. Find the treasure when you trip.  Market corrections, failed business ventures, and investment mistakes are learning opportunities.  Dr. Warrell emphasizes that courage isn't about waiting until you feel confident — it's about acting despite your fears.  This applies whether you're making your first stock purchase, buying your first rental property, or quitting your job to start a business. The takeaway: While you can't control market conditions or business outcomes, you can control your response to financial fears.  Timestamps: Note: Timestamps will vary on individual listening devices based on dynamic advertising run times. The provided timestamps are approximate. (0:00) Introduction (3:54) Fear's impact on financial decisions (6:13) Case study: Risk-reward in property investment decisions (10:28) Psychology of wealth decisions (14:21) How negativity bias affects investment choices (18:09) Five steps to bolder money moves (21:23) Navigating market uncertainty (26:52) Physical techniques for managing investment anxiety (31:28) Real example: Leading through market volatility (37:42) Finding clarity in financial goals (43:34) Why comfort zones limit wealth creation (47:59) Small steps toward investment confidence (53:11) Learning from market setbacks (58:38) Balanced approach to investment failures (1:02:51) Building long-term wealth resilience Resources Mentioned in the Episode: Website: Dr. Margie Warren Book: The Courage Gap Connect with Dr. Warrell on LinkedIn: Dr. Margie Warrell Follow Dr. Warrell on Instagram: Dr. Margie Warrell Interview with David Novak: Episode 534 For more information, visit the show notes at https://affordanything.com/episode578 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

As an investor, one of the most important things that you can do is learn how to manage fear and navigate risk.

0:07.8

You don't want to be reckless, but you also don't want to be so risk-averse that you hamstring the performance of your own portfolio and prevent yourself from ever-reaching financial independence.

0:21.7

Today, we're joined by Dr. Margie Warrel,

0:25.6

who has dedicated her academic research to studying how to manage risk.

0:31.5

She holds a PhD in human development

0:34.0

and serves on the Harvard Business Review Advisory Council.

0:38.4

She has advised numerous companies and organizations including Novartis, Google, Johnson

0:43.4

and Johnson, Dell, Morgan Stanley, and NASA on the subject matter of how to navigate risk.

0:51.1

She's also a columnist for Forbes, where she brings insight into how we can make

0:55.9

braver decisions in uncertain times. She joins us to share those research-based insights.

1:03.8

Welcome to the Afford Anything podcast, the show that understands you can afford anything,

1:08.1

but not everything. Every choice carries a trade-off, and that applies to

1:12.0

your time, money, focus, and energy. This show covers five pillars. Financial psychology,

1:17.4

increasing your income, investing, real estate, and entrepreneurship. It's double-eye fire.

1:22.9

Today's episode plays to that F, financial psychology, and the eye of investing when it comes to risk

1:30.2

management. I'm your host, Paula Pan. I trained in economic reporting at Columbia, and I

1:35.1

help you understand money and understand risk. Welcome, Dr. Margie Warrell.

1:46.1

Hi, Dr. Margie.

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Welcome.

1:47.5

Good to see you.

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It's great to be with you.

1:52.0

Can you define what is a courage gap?

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