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More Perfect

The Hate Debate

More Perfect

WNYC Studios

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4.814.7K Ratings

🗓️ 6 November 2017

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

Should you be able to say and do whatever you want online? And if not, who should police this? More Perfect hosts a debate about online hate speech, fake news and whether the First Amendment needs an update for the digital age.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Leadership support for Warper Hilt is provided by the Joyce Foundation.

1:00.0

This is more perfect. I'm Chad Abumrod. Today a little bit of a departure. Maybe it's more of an addendum.

1:08.5

So we just released an episode about Citizens United, which is one of the most argued about cases in recent history.

1:16.0

And this was a case really about the First Amendment and whether we should limit the First Amendment in any way.

1:23.0

Now in that case, you had this tension. You had Justice Kennedy who was saying, don't touch it, don't touch it, don't touch it.

1:30.0

I don't care if all this money comes into our political system. Don't touch the First Amendment.

1:35.0

But you had Justice Souter saying, I don't know, maybe we should touch it because sometimes your freedom impinges on my equality.

1:46.0

And shouldn't those two things be in balance?

1:49.0

It's a fascinating and important conversation. And it was one that we were having internally at the team while we were making that episode.

1:58.0

And at a certain point we decided, let's actually take that conversation and make a live event around it.

2:05.0

This is something that we did a few times in the run-up to season two. We would have these public debates in the WNYC green space.

2:13.0

And I want to play you some excerpts from that debate that we had about free speech.

2:20.0

And we did a sort of classic debate format. One person took one side, one person took another.

2:24.0

And our questions were, should the government do more in this day and age to limit free speech? Should Twitter do more? Should Facebook do more?

2:33.0

Should all of us collectively be doing more to stop dangerous hateful speech?

2:38.0

Or is this precisely the moment when we have to stand up louder and prouder and protect that speech, even if we hate it?

2:45.0

So before we got into it, I took a poll of the audience.

2:50.0

Everybody who thinks that your right to free speech, especially online, okay, people say some bad things fine.

2:57.0

But your right to free speech should remain pretty much unlimited. Those of you who feel that way, make some noise.

3:06.0

Alright, you guys are thunders over here. Let's just do one one more time.

3:13.0

So I can just get a sort of more accurate. Those of you who don't think should be limited, go.

3:18.0

Okay, now those of you on the flip side, those of you who think there should be some clear, hard limits.

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