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Here & Now Anytime

The group chat heard 'round the world

Here & Now Anytime

WBUR

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4.6911 Ratings

🗓️ 26 March 2025

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

The Atlantic's editor-in-chief Jeffrey Goldberg talks with us about why he released nearly all of the transcript of the Signal group chat that he was included in, where administration officials planned a deadly military strike on Yemen earlier this month. Then, former deputy assistant secretary of defense Mick Mulroy talks about why he thinks the Signal chat was a "significant breach of security." And, mandolin orchestras were a big deal in the 1920s. They aren't so popular in the U.S. these days. But Jon Kalish tells us how one mandolin orchestra is continuing this musical legacy.

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0:29.0

What was shared today reflects the fact that I was not directly involved with that part of the signal chat.

0:31.8

Every group chat's got a lurker.

0:34.3

Not many are journalists, though. And most chats aren't discussing imminent military operations.

0:47.4

It's Wednesday, March 26th, and this is here and now anytime from NPR and WBUR. I'm Chris

0:53.4

Bentley.

1:02.2

A little later, we'll take a break from the news and meet the musicians reviving the mandolin orchestra.

1:06.8

Who says the instrument has to play second fiddle to the, well, to the fiddle?

1:08.4

It was very easy.

1:15.3

It was like one phone call. Are you interested? Yeah, let's go. Boom. Everybody was very excited about it.

1:22.4

But first, the signal chat heard around the world. This morning, the Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg,

1:28.5

released the group chat he was mistakenly added to where senior Trump administration officials discussed plans to attack Houthi rebels in Yemen earlier this month.

1:32.5

It included discussions of weapons and targeting information.

1:36.5

Houthis say the strikes killed 53 people, including five children.

1:41.4

The casualties also included the Houthis, quote, top missile guy,

1:45.6

according to an account belonging to National Security Advisor Michael Walts.

1:50.1

Here's how he described the killings in the chat.

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Quote, we had positive ID of him walking into his girlfriend's building, and it's now collapsed,

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end quote, to which the VP apparently replied, excellent.

2:03.1

Today, Democratic members of the House Intelligence Committee grilled Trump administration

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