Why hello, welcome to the Theology podcast. It's great to have you here for this episode and it's been a little odd this summer for us. We were together for like a week and a half and saw each other all the time and then it's been kind of spotty since then at least for me. I've been seeing you guys as much as we

normally see each other but anyway good to see you guys. In case you're wondering who I am, I'm

C. R. Wiley. I'm a pastor. I serve at Church of the Pacific Northwest and I'm a senior

editor for Touchstone magazine.

How about you, Glenn?

I'm Glenn Sunshine.

I'm a senior fellow at the Colston Center

for Christian Worldview.

I work for Reflections Ministries.

I have my own ministry, every square ministries and in a previous life I was a history

professor at Central Connecticut State University.

All right Tom.

Tom Price I teach theology, philosophy, Christian ethics, host of other things.

One of the places is Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary.

All right.

Well, we're back to talking about things we want to talk about.

We've had a number of interviews this summer, both interviews of people that we got to spend some time

with when we were in Oxford, but also back here in the States. but it's just us today and the lot fell to me to pick a subject to talk about.

And in light of the fact that we live in a moment of time

where there's a lot of enemy and there's just

a lot of anxiety about what's coming down the road

and so forth, I was inspired to take an article that I read in

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