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The Great Rule Breakers Healthcare Debate: Progyny or Hims & Hers?

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🗓️ 22 September 2025

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Which is the better healthcare Breaker? Alicia Alfiere, Sanmeet Deo, and Tim Beyers pit Progyny against Hims & Hers. Leave a comment to get in on the debate! Alicia Alfiere, Sanmeet Deo, and Tim Beyers discuss: - Progyny vs. Hims & Hers - who goes on the watchlist? - Intel and NVIDIA’s big $5 billion deal. - Reflections on Rule Breaker Investing. Be sure to get to your local bookstore and pick up a copy of David’s Gardner’s new book — Rule Breaker Investing. It’s on shelves now; get it before it’s gone! Companies discussed: PGNY, HIMS, INTC, NVDA Host: Tim Beyers Guests: Alicia Alfiere, Sanmeet Deo Producer: Anand Chokkavelu Engineer: Dan Boyd Disclosure: Advertisements are sponsored content and provided for informational purposes only. The Motley Fool and its affiliates (collectively, “TMF”) do not endorse, recommend, or verify the accuracy or completeness of the statements made within advertisements. TMF is not involved in the offer, sale, or solicitation of any securities advertised herein and makes no representations regarding the suitability, or risks associated with any investment opportunity presented. Investors should conduct their own due diligence and consult with legal, tax, and financial advisors before making any investment decisions. TMF assumes no responsibility for any losses or damages arising from this advertisement. We’re committed to transparency: All personal opinions in advertisements from Fools are their own. The product advertised in this episode was loaned to TMF and was returned after a test period or the product advertised in this episode was purchased by TMF. Advertiser has paid for the sponsorship of this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Which is the better health care breaker?

0:08.7

Progeny or hymns and hers?

0:11.5

Welcome to Motley Full Money.

0:18.4

Good morning. I am your host, Tim Byers. With me are two of my favorite fools, San Mateo, and Alicia Alfieri from the Rule Breakers team.

0:32.2

We're going to do a small debate here. And the way this is going to work, Fools, is that I am going to ask you to make your case

0:40.6

first for Progeny, then for Hems and Hers. I'm going to ask you a follow-up question, each of you,

0:47.2

and then I'm going to make a call on which one is going on my watch list. So the audience is your audience, but also I am your audience. So you got to

0:58.2

convince me. So Alicia, make the case. Why do I want to be invested in progeny? Okay. So progeny is

1:07.2

essentially a health benefit that employers provide as part of their overall benefits package.

1:13.2

Think of it like a super customer-focused health benefit, including drug coverage for fertility

1:18.5

and family building. So infertility is a migraine-level problem that roughly one in six

1:24.3

people of reproductive age experience, it's also an expensive problem. So depending

1:29.2

on where you live, a single round of IVF can cost $10,000 to $20,000 or more, and that might not even

1:35.3

include medication. Prior to companies like progeny, if fertility services were covered by

1:41.5

insurance, it could be restrictive with lifetime dollar maximums and

1:45.6

things like mandated step therapy, which was expensive, wasted time, and wasn't a personalized

1:50.9

approach. So of the six signs of the rule breaker, progeny has about, we'll say three and a half.

1:57.1

The most important part, I think, is their sustainable advantage.

2:07.8

They have a strong brand power and an excellent network with great clinical outcomes.

2:10.1

They have a strong brand in the core market.

2:15.0

They're expanding into services like pregnancy support and menopause care.

2:19.2

It also has an impressive network of fertility specialists across the U.S. that really deliver impressive results by harnessing expertise and data. So, for example,

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