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The great decoupling

Marketplace All-in-One

Marketplace

News, Business

4.81.3K Ratings

🗓️ 9 December 2025

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

When revenue grows, hiring grows — usually. But in November, retail sector job cuts were up nearly 140% year over year, according to outplacement firm Challenger, Gray & Christmas, in spite of strong consumer spending. What gives? Mostly, more automation. Also in this episode: Medium-term bonds send hints about Fed interest rate decisions, an AI bubble burst will come with new jargon, and small business owner optimism is up.


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0:00.0

On the program today, the bond market, AI, small businesses, and Botox in that order.

0:10.3

From American public media, this is Marketplace.

0:19.4

In Los Angeles, I'm Kai Rizzdahl. It is Tuesday today. This one is the 9th of December. Good as

0:27.9

always to have you along, everybody. We all want to know which way the economy's going, right? I think

0:33.0

that's a pretty uncontroversial thing to say. And to find out, you could, for instance, ask an economist friend

0:39.8

what they think, maybe a Wall Street banker, if you know one, or better yet, a small business

0:44.5

person. You could also clue into the Federal Reserve tomorrow when the central bank is going to

0:50.0

release its summary of economic projections where they think rates and a bunch of other

0:54.2

parameters are headed. You could also, though, if you are of a mind, look at the bond market.

1:00.7

Demand for short-term treasury bills and longer-term bonds at either end of what is known as the

1:06.1

yield curve can tell us a lot about what investors are expecting. But there is a part of that yield curve

1:12.3

that we don't often talk about, medium-term treasury, sometimes known as the belly of the curve.

1:18.3

And as marketplace is Justin Ho reports now to get us going, that belly has been sending some

1:22.9

signals of its own. The government issues treasuries that mature in anywhere from less than a year to 10 and even 30 years.

1:29.9

So the belly of the curve is basically everything in the middle.

1:33.5

We tend to focus on two-year and five-year notes.

1:38.0

That's Chris Lowe, chief economist at FHN Financial.

1:41.0

He says yields on treasuries in that belly of the curve are influenced by what investors

1:45.0

expect the Federal Reserve to do in that two to five-year time frame. They anticipate.

1:50.9

So when we talk about the Fed might cut rates at an upcoming meeting or they might not,

1:57.1

well, we're anticipating not just the next one, but the next several years worth.

2:03.4

Investors know that the Federal Reserve is still trying to bring rates down to a neutral level to support full employment and stable inflation.

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