Fan favorite, James Madden, has a brand new project with his brilliant co-host Jared Zimmerer called The Great Dangerous Books Podcast. Check out this episode to catch the vibe of the show, and if you like what you hear, be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode.  Subscribe to The Great Dangerous Books Podcast Spotify Apple Podcasts YouTube In this episode, Jim and Jared discuss the complexities of the UFO phenomenon with special guest Kelly Chase, focusing on Jacques Vallee's influential work 'Messengers of Deception.' They explore themes of manipulation, the unconscious, and the power of images in shaping belief systems. The conversation delves into the psychological impact of UFO experiences, the dangers of ontological shock, and the need for critical thinking in the field of ufology. Throughout, they emphasize the importance of self-awareness and the challenges of integrating extraordinary experiences into one's worldview. TIMESTAMPS 01:28 Introducing Kelly Chase and Her Work 03:09 Exploring Jacques Vallee's 'Messengers of Deception' 05:17 Vallee's Perspective on UFOs and Manipulation 09:47 The Reliability of Jacques Vallee 12:05 The Nature of Reality and Ideological Structures 15:04 The Impact of Ontological Shock 18:45 The Role of the Unconscious in UFO Phenomena 22:08 The Dangers of Manipulation and Belief Systems 27:44 Connecting Modernity and Public Manipulation 32:56 The Internet's Oppenheimer: Valet's Perspective 35:32 The Power of Images and Human Manipulation 39:57 Gnosticism and the Quest for Knowledge 44:05 The Nature of UFO Phenomena and Human Belief 47:35 The Intersection of Science and Mythology 52:11 Critical Inquiry and the Nature of Belief 55:32 The Joy of Inquiry and the Dangers of Ufology Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices