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Hey, Max. Hello, Becca.

So you and I went to a bar in downtown Manhattan when it was still extremely cold out,

and we went to talk to people about the gender pay gap.

We wanted to hear what the average person on the street has to say about this stuff.

One of the first guys we talked to works for the state of New York. At first, he told us he believed in the pay gap and even saw it in one of his previous

workplaces. But then, after talking to him for a little while, he told us what he really thought.

From what I could see in my current position, if there's a gap, it's not 20 cents on the dollar.

But if that was in fact true, yes, of course. That's not right.

But it is true. As far as I know, that really is what the data shows, I think.

Yes, it is.

So this guy knows women are paid less, but the 20% number he hears it, it just doesn't sound right to him.

He looks around, he sees things getting better for women.

He just doesn't buy that things could really be so bad.

I don't think it's a conspiracy, but yes, I think maybe somewhat overblown, especially nowadays.

It's a lot different than it was even 10 years ago.

So while I recognize there probably is somewhat of a gap, I think that gap is getting

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