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The Rich Roll Podcast

The Godmother of Wellness On Pioneering Healing and the Future Health of the Planet

The Rich Roll Podcast

Rich Roll

Society & Culture, Health & Fitness, Education, Self-improvement

4.7 • 13.3K Ratings

🗓️ 29 October 2013

⏱️ 94 minutes

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Summary

After listening to this interview, you will never again rely on advancing age as an excuse for anything. Meet the unique force of nature known as Deborah Szekely — in so many ways, the Godmother of the Wellness Revolution, but also a tireless activist, philanthropist, writer, and friend of Presidents and Hollywood elite. At 91 years young, Deborah exudes the energy of someone 60 years her junior. In fact, I have met few people in my life that could match the drive, vision, commitment and boundless vitality she persistently demonstrates when it comes to improving the health and wellness of people across the globe. Let me paint the picture. Without Deborah, there is no Jack LaLanne. No 24-Hour Fitness, Gold's Gym, Equinox or Soul Cycle, let alone Canyon Ranch or Burke Williams day spas. In many ways, so much of what we take for granted as part of our daily health and fitness lifestyle experience can be specifically tracked back to the work Deborah and her husband Edmond started in the tiny village of Tecate, Mexico in 1940. Hailing from Brooklyn by way of Eastern Europe, Deborah's mother was a progressive raw foodist fruitarian and vice president of the New York Vegetarian Society. When the Great Depression hit, Deborah's garment business father moved the family to Tahiti, the land of abundant fruit, to live closer to nature — and persistently ahead of the curve. It's there that they met Edmond Szekely, a prophetic, highly educated and charismatic professor and author of Hungarian origin (then Transylvania) & Jewish heritage prone to long pontifications on the virtues of living in close connection with one's natural environment. In her late teens, Deborah became Edmond's secretary and ultimately his bride. They later settled in Los Angeles, but with World War II on the horizon and Edmond fearing deportation back to Eastern Europe due to citizenship issues, they decamped to Tecate, about an hour's drive from San Diego just over the Mexican border. Domiciled in a tiny cabin on a vast parcel of land at the base of a gorgeous mountain, in 1940 Edmond and Deborah opened their doors to the outside world — a summer camp they called Rancho La Puerta where visitors could convene for $17.50 per week, provided they brought their own tent. During the summer months, Edmond would lecture to groups on a number of topics, including the philosophy of The Essenes ; something he dubbed Biogenic Living; the ills of smoking (revolutionary at the time); and the virtues of a healthy diet, exercise and living close to nature. Bear in mind, this was decades before any of these subjects were in vogue. Not to beat a dead horse, but to say Edmond and Deborah were a step ahead is an understatement. Not enough? In his downtime, Edmond wrote books — over 80 titles all told — and printed them with his own printing press. Word got out about the interesting happenings of Rancho La Puerta. Hollywood took notice, and soon people like Burt Lancaster, Kim Novak, William Holden, and even Aldous Huxley could be found spending time at the Ranch. The Ranch quickly grew, and in later years, Rancho has hosted the likes of Madonna, Oprah Winfrey, Barbara Streisand, Martha Stewart and Arianna Huffington. The rest is history. In it's 73rd year, Rancho La Puerta set the stage for every wellness trend, spa and movement that would follow. Today the center boasts some of the best wellness programs, most beautiful facilities, finest food and appointed terrain in the world,

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Welcome to episode 58 of The Rich Roll Podcast with the Godmother of Wellness, Debra Zake.

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The Rich Roll Podcast.

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Hey everybody, welcome to the show. I am your host. I am Rich Roll and this is The Rich Roll Podcast

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where we sit down and talk at length with the pioneers, the leaders in wellness, health, fitness, entrepreneurialism,

0:35.0

and all of those that are pushing the boundaries to help educate us about how to live our best, most authentic life.

0:42.0

And today I have a very special guest on the show. Her name is Debra Zake and she's 91 years old.

0:53.0

And you might ask yourself, what are you doing with a 91 year old person on your show? I thought this was about forward thinking people.

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Well, I have to say that Debra Zake who joins us today is probably one of the most progressive forward thinking people I've ever met in my life.

1:09.0

Fascinating, fascinating person who's lived quite an extraordinary life.

1:16.0

How did this all come to be? Well, Julie and I recently returned from a week at this wellness resort retreat center called Rancho La Puerta.

1:26.0

It is a wellness oriented spa just south of the border in Mexico outside of this little town called Ticate, which is, I don't know, about an hour east, maybe of Tijuana, not too far from San Diego.

1:41.0

And we had the opportunity to go and spend a week there and present and speak in exchange for being able to hang out there for several days, which was amazing.

1:51.0

I've never been there before. I knew a lot of people that have spent a lot of time there and some friends that make a point of going every year.

1:58.0

This is a very well-known wellness destination spa, I guess you could say.

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And I'd heard a lot about Debra who is the founder and it's a fascinating story that we get into about how she founded Rancho La Puerta back in 1940.

2:17.0

And essentially she grew up in Brooklyn and her mother was a raw food vegan back in the 1920s, probably as far back as the 1910s, the teens.

2:32.0

She was vice president of the New York vegetarian society. And when the depression hit her mother and father moved their family to Tahiti, where they lived, sort of close to nature, and hooked up with a guy who was sort of a professorial teacher with a little bit of a following down in Tahiti.

2:53.0

I called Edmund Zayke and ultimately Debra became his secretary and later they married and through a set of circumstances that involved Edmund having to leave the United States.

3:08.0

They'd settled in Los Angeles area, but the second world war was on the rise and being a Jewish person who would flood Eastern Europe.

3:18.0

There was some sort of visa situation and they had to get out of the country. They went to the town of Dakota in Mexico and sort of founded this little camp where they settled down and started having people come and visit them for $17.50 a week, bring your own tent, and Edmund would sort of profess on wellness and living close to nature.

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And over time, they kind of built this little following on the heels of sort of some people in Hollywood. Apparently Edmund, who was Hungarian, had a kind of following among some behind the camera people in Hollywood, who, my understanding, at the time, there were a lot of Hungarians there.

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And the word got out and before they knew it, they had some notable people coming down to this place that they had dubbed Rancho La Puerta to spend time.

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