Welcome to a special episode of the ThinkBibbically Podcast.

A regular co-host, Scott Ray, recently donated a kidney to his younger brother Mark,

who is here to join us as well.

What was this journey like? How was God? who is here to join us as well.

What was this journey like?

How was God used to form each of them spiritually?

And how do we think about such experiences biblically?

I'm your host today, Sean McDowell, and this is the Think Bibically

podcast brought to you by Talbot School Theology Biola University.

Scott, we're going to get to you because I know our audience is eager to hear

how you're doing and what this experience was like.

But Mark, why don't you jump in here and just introduce yourself a little bit to our audience?

Thank you, Sean, I appreciate it.

So glad to be here. My name is Mark Ray, same last name as my brother. I'm 67.

And just to introduce myself a little bit, I have 25 years experience in sales and marketing and 25 years of experience in ministry with pastoral leadership, with church, with parro church, and now working for a seminary

here out of Houston, Grace School of Theology.

So we followed some of the same path, but with that we've had some divergence in what we've been able to do and what the Lord has allowed us to be able to accomplish.

And lots of connection between the two of us and lots of times that we've had conversation about what's next and what do we do and how do we do it.

Good to have an older brother in ministry who's gone before me and has brought some of that wisdom to the table for me and I'm grateful for that.

I noticed you mentioned how old you are, but not how old your older brother is so we'll let Scott in a minute

release that to us if he wants to but not another chance I thought that was coming

I love it I can only imagine the kind of conversations that you have in the Ray household. People ask me all the time,

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