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This is a podcast from The Times, Sports Newspaper of the Year. Hello and welcome to the game the podcast of record from the times

joining me to talk football football and more football and maybe some ethics Richmond. It's Matthew C. Ed. and maybe some ethics as well. It's Rory K. Smith, Matt Hughes, and from beautiful downtown Richmond.

It's Matthew Saeed. Later we're going to enter a moral maze, but before that we look at a contrasting weekend for the title holders and challengers.

So let's start at St Mary's. Matt, I want to start with you.

Manchini said that he had never seen anything like it.

Now he said this I think more than once about different things relating to his players.

Was it that bad the individual defensive errors or should we, do we focus too much on that and

if we do, we sort of ignore what was a really poor performance.

Well there are two things, there were individual errors which led to goals, but there was also

a kind of underpinning tone of lethargy that ran throughout the whole performance.

Manchini playing the international break.

Said the players came back Thursday and Friday, but it is the same for every.

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