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Foreign Policy Live

The Future of War

Foreign Policy Live

Foreign Policy

Politics, News Commentary, News

4 • 601 Ratings

🗓️ 11 June 2025

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Drones are playing an increasingly decisive role in conflicts around the world. Coupled with artificial intelligence and other technological advances, the very nature of warfare is transforming in front of our eyes. Are countries and their policymakers prepared?  Mara Karlin, former assistant secretary of defense under U.S. President Joe Biden, joins FP Live to share her insights. Karlin is also the author of The Inheritance: America’s Military After Two Decades of War. John Haltiwanger: Drones are Transforming South Asian Warfare Stephen M. Walt: Ukraine’s Drone Attack Doesn’t Matter Christian Caryl: The Ukrainians’ New Way of War Mara Karlin: The Inheritance: America’s Military After Two Decades of War Stanley McChrystal and Anshu Roy: AI Has Entered the Situation Room Brought to you by: nordvpn.com/fplive (Exclusive NordVPN Deal: Try it risk-free now with a 30-day money-back guarantee) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hi, I'm Ravi Agrawal, Foreign Policy's editor-in-chief.

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This is FP Live.

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It would appear the future of war is here.

1:11.6

The world is still taking in the audacious attack called Operation Spider-Web.

1:17.4

On June 1st, Ukraine deployed more than 100 drones to strike air bases deep inside Russia.

1:24.5

Explosions were heard across several time zones.

1:32.0

The drones cost just about $300 a piece.

1:40.7

The bombers they destroyed were each worth $100 million. The entire operation is being seen as a David versus Goliath moment, even if it doesn't really change the trajectory of the war.

1:47.3

Drones have recently played a salient role in many conflicts. Indian Pakistan have fought several

1:52.8

wars, but deployed drones for the first time during their latest scuffle in May, and it was

1:58.6

decisive. In Gaza, Israeli drones routinely run surveillance

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