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family at good culture.com. Gordon, great to have you on Real Vision.

Great to be here. Thanks, Ralph.

I think your story is an incredible story and it kind of all leads to this moment in time,

which is the kind of dominance of this SAS business model that you were such a part of.

So I'd love before we kind of talk about what's going on in the world and how you see things to go back and tell us your journey because it's a fascinating

journey. Well thanks Rowl yes I've you know a quick story on my background as

I grew up in Maine, a little town in the middle of on the coast in Maine.

And my family moved me up when I was young and that was my first taste of how do you deal with

something that's not what you plan but it actually pays off. I had the chance to

go to a high school that had a little program called Rowing which crew, which I was a non-athlete and picked up this sport

and it changed my life.

My wife is a rower that I met after college and Rowing has completely changed my life and if I hadn't moved to Maine and then gone to a school that had rowing, the world would certainly for me not be as beautiful as

and rowing is still still I row many days a week, even now at this stage in life.

And then I had the chance to start it on kind of on your side. I was actually ran a division

worked as an analyst at First Boston and ran a group that started to collateralize mortgage obligation when I was at a very

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