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Plain English with Derek Thompson

The Future of AI Is Thrilling, Terrifying, Confusing, and Fascinating

Plain English with Derek Thompson

The Ringer

News, News Commentary

4.72.1K Ratings

🗓️ 10 May 2022

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

This might sound like a hot take but it's not: In 50 years, when historians look back on the crazy 2020s, they might point to advances in artificial intelligence as the most important long-term development of our time. We are building machines that can mimic human language, human creativity, and human thought. What will that mean for the future of work, morality, and economics? The bestselling author Steven Johnson joins the podcast to talk about the most exciting and scary ideas in artificial intelligence and an article he wrote for The New York Times Magazine about the frontier of AI. Host: Derek Thompson Guest: Steven Johnson Producer: Devon Manze Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Yo, Rob Harvilla from 60 Solns that explain the 90s here to inform you that we are back

0:05.6

with 30 more songs because the 90s were super long and had a ton of rad music.

0:10.8

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0:17.2

Today I have something really special for you, a long, funny, scary, challenging and informative

0:23.9

conversation with one of my favorite writers about one of the world's most important topics.

0:29.6

The guest is author Steven Johnson, writer of the adjacent possible newsletter and the

0:34.0

best-selling author of many books, including most recently extra life on the science of

0:39.4

living longer.

0:41.1

And our subject is artificial intelligence.

0:44.1

I think it's possible that 50 years from now, when we look back at the early 2020s,

0:49.2

at the pandemic and the political chaos and the economic rollercoaster and the culture

0:53.2

war, we'll say that the most important development from this period wasn't the pandemic or the

1:00.8

political chaos or the economic rollercoaster or the culture war.

1:04.7

We'll say it was this vertical hour we're experiencing at the frontier of artificial intelligence.

1:13.6

So why do I think that?

1:14.6

Well, last year, the organization OpenAI unveiled a technology called GPT-3.

1:21.3

This is a language technology that has essentially ingested zillions of words, articles,

1:25.6

Wikipedia pages, and learned how to communicate like some kind of human genius.

1:31.7

If you ask GPT-3 to explain the history of the First Amendment or how to max out your 401k,

1:37.7

the technology will spit out an astonishingly human-like statement explaining either.

1:43.8

If you ask GPT-3 to finish an essay that you've started by giving it the first paragraph

1:48.6

of that essay and basically saying, keep going, and right in the style that that paragraph

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