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🗓️ 29 October 2025
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| 0:00.0 | The weather. Tomorrow, expect a biting cold front. Hmm, how naughty. I wonder what I'll be |
| 0:06.8 | wearing or taking off. The night will be wild and untamed. Expect heavy, lashing rain |
| 0:13.0 | that'll soak you to the skin. By Monday, temperatures will rise slowly but surely reaching |
| 0:18.7 | their peak in the afternoon. |
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| 0:41.5 | Our guest now is Jeffrey Rosen, the book which just came out about a week or so ago, |
| 0:49.5 | The Pursuit of Liberty, How Hamilton v. Jefferson Ignited the lasting battle over power in America. |
| 1:11.8 | And in his book, he traces this over different time periods, a couple of decades, each of these things, and how people's viewpoint and our viewpoint of government has shifted between these two polls, I guess, in terms of looking at how power should be structured here in the United States between Hamilton and Jefferson. |
| 1:18.5 | But you have an interesting anecdote about Hamilton and Jefferson and what happened, what Jefferson did after Hamilton died. Tell us a little bit about that. |
| 1:22.0 | It's so moving that Hamilton and Jefferson's battles define our early debates, and in fact all debates ever since, |
| 1:30.1 | about national power versus states' rights, or a strong executive versus a strong judiciary, |
| 1:36.1 | or liberal versus strict construction of the Constitution. |
| 1:39.3 | And their battles over the Bank of the United States and the Alien and Sedition Acts |
| 1:43.3 | lead to the formation of America's first political parties. |
| 1:46.5 | But despite all of those clashes, at the end of his life, after Hamilton dies in the duel, |
| 1:53.0 | because they're both united in believing that Aaron Burr is a traitor who's trying to raise an insurrection in Spanish Louisiana and sent himself up as a |
| 2:01.9 | dictator. After they both united against Burr, Jefferson places a bust of Hamilton across from his |
| 2:08.1 | own in the central entrance hall of Monticello. You can see it there today if you go there. And before he |
| 2:13.3 | passed it, Jefferson would say, opposed in life as in death. And he viewed Hamilton not as a |
| 2:19.6 | hated enemy to be destroyed, but a respected adversary to be engaged with. And that spirit of |
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